tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post2187719756265191989..comments2023-12-18T17:32:03.325+00:00Comments on Kindred of the Quiet Way: To be or not to beUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-15246550238245093482011-01-18T10:49:23.751+00:002011-01-18T10:49:23.751+00:00:0):0)Pen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-232275011041603432011-01-18T05:56:51.051+00:002011-01-18T05:56:51.051+00:00I like this: "where people are infected with...I like this: "where people are infected with materialism and consumerism, where women are supposed to be elegant and thin and sexy and employed, where raising children is not natural and sweet"Lindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17457300221571368059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-22329019164071194312010-12-22T16:04:42.700+00:002010-12-22T16:04:42.700+00:00:0):0)Pen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-32609654466876579092010-12-22T15:39:31.878+00:002010-12-22T15:39:31.878+00:00"One of my principles of life is, if I can, t..."One of my principles of life is, if I can, to always try to make sure whatever passes through my hands is improved, or blessed."<br /><br />This is such a lovely sentiment, I think I will adopt it!seekingmyLordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03242380845994448311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-91712467545459355692010-12-22T15:18:41.170+00:002010-12-22T15:18:41.170+00:00Hi seekingmylord :0)
Thanks for this thoughtful ...Hi seekingmylord :0)<br /><br />Thanks for this thoughtful post. 2 things especially stand out to me in what you said.<br /><br />Firstly, "If a woman really wants an abortion she will find a way regardless of the law." I think that's really important. Law creates a framework for society, but the law will always be a blunt instrument and rarely can be fine-tuned enough to be the best way of dealing with such sensitive moral issues with all the corollaries of psycho-spiritual and emotional issues.<br /><br />The second thing that specially caught my attention in what you said is: "In the end, there are some things we can control and some things we cannot, but try to control the aftermath." I think that's really important too. One of my principles of life is, if I can, to always try to make sure whatever passes through my hands is improved, or blessed. In situations like these, even though there may be much we cannot change, we can at least bring some understanding and kindness, and lit some kind of candle in the dark.Pen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-82280374351405859292010-12-22T13:47:36.275+00:002010-12-22T13:47:36.275+00:00Ember, enjoy your writing so much. You have a way ...Ember, enjoy your writing so much. You have a way of really pulling out what is hidden in most people and helping them to honestly examine their feelings, their position.<br /><br />I was never in the situation of considering an unwanted pregnancy, but I had a friend....<br /><br />She was on the wild side and became pregnant. She asked me to go with her for her abortion. I struggled with this request before I finally decided that I would explain that I was against it, but in loving her as my friend, I would honor her request to go with her to the clinic and bring her back. (I am not so sure I would do it ever again. It seems to be an enabler of a risky, self-serving lifestyle in many cases.)<br /><br />My friend was young adult still living with her mother, so I really was the only one who knew and I watched over her at work as she became ill and hemorrhaged, as even in the sterile conditions provided for abortions there are still risks. Her mother found out because of the complications she experienced afterward and was angry at both of us.<br /><br />Beyond all that, though, was the guilt my friend suffered in the years to come. I wished I had tried harder to talk her out of it. We are not involved with each other much soon afterward as that experience also changed our relationship. I think I reminded her of it all too much even though she never said that and I never condemned her for it. <br /><br />On the other hand, I was very close with a girl who suffered incest and was always afraid of becoming pregnant by her father. What would I have done if that had happened? My aunt, a woman I look to for her wisdom, told me that if a woman was raped, in her day, doctors would do a D and C immediately and that would terminate the pregnancy, if there had been conception, which would not be known. But, a child who is continually used for sex is not a one-time rape and my aunt became silent on that point at that time.<br /><br />So, my position is that I am not pro-choice, but I know people will choose abortion, just as they chose to have sex in the first place, even though it will further damage their lives in ways they cannot foresee. For those who were in situations of non-consented sex, there is no good and quick way to heal from its damage; it is difficult to say how adding an abortion or choosing life to the scenario is going to further damage them when they feel their lives are ruined already. So, basically, I am also not for promoting laws taking that choice away. I feel it is nonproductive; if a woman really wants an abortion she will find a way regardless of the law. <br /><br />I am most decidedly pro-life. I believe it honors my Lord to choose life, to sacrifice your life for another. However, I am not so pro-life that I believe that taking away the choice of abortion will stop abortion, even though it makes me weep to think about how much damage abortion does emotionally and spiritually, if not physically, to the woman...and how it murders a child.<br /><br />In the end, there are some things we can control and some things we cannot, but try to control the aftermath. When we acknowledge God's control and seek His Will in the decision, we will eventually be at peace and heal. So, my answer is really a question: What would my Lord desire us to do?seekingmyLordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03242380845994448311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-77423012329563095402010-12-15T15:04:25.751+00:002010-12-15T15:04:25.751+00:00H mamaof3 - nice to hear from you, glad you are en...H mamaof3 - nice to hear from you, glad you are enjoying this blog. <br />:0)<br />Yes, the simplicity book is available in the US.<br />I think Amazon ships all over the world, but there is also a US edition that Amazon.com sells. You can find it here:<br /><br />http://www.amazon.com/Celebration-Simplicity-Joy-Living-Lightly/dp/0825463149/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1292425426&sr=1-1Pen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-54983606384501134892010-12-15T14:38:38.926+00:002010-12-15T14:38:38.926+00:00I am so glad to have found your blog! I always won...I am so glad to have found your blog! I always wonder what others think about abortion. I appreciate you comments about the way society treats women and children. I am also interested in your book about simplicity can I buy in the US? Hope to hear from you.mamaof3https://www.blogger.com/profile/03239883777193540140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-89564438716214645322010-12-14T19:27:26.732+00:002010-12-14T19:27:26.732+00:00Hello E :0) Thank you!Hello E :0) Thank you!Pen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-70719217409690251152010-12-14T19:13:40.882+00:002010-12-14T19:13:40.882+00:00I just wanted to say Thank You for a powerful post...I just wanted to say Thank You for a powerful post...it gave me chills, good chills! :) <br /><br />Abortion as a symptom of an unwelcoming society... I've not thought about it that way before. <br /><br />Thank you again.E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05312954561544797955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-41455309229029173382010-12-14T18:55:43.416+00:002010-12-14T18:55:43.416+00:00Thank you, Cora :0)Thank you, Cora :0)Pen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-67223549927430147242010-12-14T16:41:18.251+00:002010-12-14T16:41:18.251+00:00I agree.
If babies were treated like a welcomed ...I agree. <br /><br />If babies were treated like a welcomed blessing no matter what and mothers were treated with respect, there would be less reasons for abortion. <br /><br />A woman who has to make the decision to end her pregnancy (for whatever reason...except used as "birth control" of course...) has gone through a heartbreaking process, one that I (nor any one else) can possibly understand or fathom. My heartbreaks for her. But for her saftey I prefer to have her go to a clinic than to a back alley. <br /><br />Sometimes it's the necessary evil, but the woman shouldn't be villianized for it. She should be shown compassion and be allowed to grieve. <br /><br />I am Pro-Choice and like every Pro-Choice woman I know, I choose Life for myself. Neither of my babies were planned. My eldest was a very big surprise and my youngest was a shock (we had just about given up on having a larger family...in fact, we had started getting rid of baby items). Both were meant to be born and have become two of the greatest blessings in our lives. <br /><br />I cannot imagine not having them: my life would have been an empty shell. I am fortunate that I have a family that holds the same idealogy as me: Pro-Choice for society, Pro-Life for me. Each baby is a blessing and no matter the situation, a new baby is a very loved welcomed addition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-1492214608095884772010-12-14T13:19:44.919+00:002010-12-14T13:19:44.919+00:00Thank you Julie, thank you Jill :0)Thank you Julie, thank you Jill :0)Pen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-2488171404941733612010-12-14T12:52:37.129+00:002010-12-14T12:52:37.129+00:00WOW, you have given me much to think about, thank ...WOW, you have given me much to think about, thank you.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10058228510044579482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-21536533648160213962010-12-14T12:07:01.946+00:002010-12-14T12:07:01.946+00:00I could write a ten page response to what you wrot...I could write a ten page response to what you wrote, Ember. So many thoughts and feelings. For now I will just say amen, and thank you. God bless you today.Julie B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14372718712032820169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-66692101896739187572010-12-14T11:15:31.841+00:002010-12-14T11:15:31.841+00:00Thanks for making yourself known here, Flo. I wen...Thanks for making yourself known here, Flo. I went and had a look at your blog, which I really like.<br /><br />I just loved this that you posted, from Moonlite by David Foster:<br /><br />"seem to me the written word, he no good fellow. Christ He write nothin, but Paul never stop writin eh? Pistle here, pistle there, all time writin pistles." <br /><br />:0DPen Wilcockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13818227904371811230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-55532501364780143.post-27407446145067193182010-12-14T10:10:15.780+00:002010-12-14T10:10:15.780+00:00an interesting article and a a thoughtful conclusi...an interesting article and a a thoughtful conclusion. i conclude that children and parented are not truly held as valuable in our society. the fact that women can go to week and leave a child with a carer who is paid less and this is acceptable to society as a whole is indeed proof of this. I am not saying mothers who have children don;t need fulfilment at work but maybe if society saw the that parenting was valuable then maybe they would feel differently. Obviously once a child is no longer breast fed through the day a father can be the carer - had to add that in.<br />So i reach in a way the same conclusion as you if babies and parenting were viewed differently maybe the need for abortion would plummet. <br />but I am so glad that it available to the women who desperately need it. i hate to think that it is used as a form of contraception (which it probably is somtimes)Flo Fflachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00898824799522652609noreply@blogger.com